Spend $495 on a Garmin GPS Pilot III and have a moving map with more functions. Hard wire it to the airplane and mount to the dash and be very happy. It is the best value in aviation. The 196 and 295 are great but the Pilot III is the true definition of Value.
Plus, save weight by throwing the other overboard.
Plus Plus, give it to a friend as a spare and get bonus points.
Kelly
George has a GPS!
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AR Dave
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Just need to update the data!
I really like this unit and the way it is centrally and professionally stacked above it's matching GTX-327 transponder. Nothing against the GPS's powered by Size AA batteries, but no thanks! A $500 GPS compared to a $2000+ GPS is definitely a value if that's what you're looking for. But Hey, I don't like portable intercom's boxes or even handheld mics, been there, done all that.
I really like this unit and the way it is centrally and professionally stacked above it's matching GTX-327 transponder. Nothing against the GPS's powered by Size AA batteries, but no thanks! A $500 GPS compared to a $2000+ GPS is definitely a value if that's what you're looking for. But Hey, I don't like portable intercom's boxes or even handheld mics, been there, done all that.
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wa4jr
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I have a 1995 database in my KLN-88 and I am finding only a very few problems with changed VOR/NDB/Intersection/Airport designators. For a VFR Joe, I would think an update every four or five years to be sufficient. You are lucky to only have to pay $175 for an update. King is trying to scare KLN-88 users to GPS by now charging $250 per update! So I am on the five year schedule...or I can buy a KLN-88 off of E-Bay for $250 with a recent database and get the KLN-88 itself for free...using King Logic of course 
John, 2734C in Summit Point, WV
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David Laseter
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OK, you all held out on me?
After replacing the $2 lithium battery, $65 backup battery, $175 data card, & checking all the antenna connections, I was beginning to think there were no more sattlelites in the sky.
"Aquiring sattlelites" was as far as I could get.
Called Garmin today: He said, did you have it turned off for a period of time? Yes, couple of years. Well the unit is trying to find sattlelites that it had data on years ago. It's searching for sattlelites no longer there.
Fix: Hold the clear button down as you turn the unit on. This will erase all the old sattlelites records (as well as saved waypoints, etc.) and then (take finger off button) it will search the sky, pick up 11 new sattlelites and you'll be back in business.
Worked like a charm! I still wonder if it has anything with moving from AK to AR. We had no problems until we got here.
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170C
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George & his GPS
Regarding the Arkansas problem, its most likely those Arkansas Razorback Hawgs (hogs/pigs to the uninitiated)!
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170C
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HAWGS
Naw. Not talking about those cowpasture guys that the Univ. of AR has imported from Texas and other states to help build up their athletic budget. (And by the way those imports did beat the dickens out or those shorthorns didn't they?) I still think its got go be the hogs themselves!!
Good luck!
Good luck!
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AR Dave
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GAHorn
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Ark. is no different than UT who imports their players from Louisiana and the Carolinas. 
When I flew for the state of Texas, I took coach Brown all over the SE U.S. recruiting players. College athletics is nothing more than big money, and college football (and the taxpaying public) has lost sight of what college is supposed to be about.
Carrying those gorillas around in state aircraft (King Air 200's) while they listen to their boomboxes and issue "Ebonics" arguments over which sneakers are mo' cool and which rap "musicians" to listen to makes me wonder what we're doing with tax dollars.
I call Earl a friend as well. But that's another example of how far out of touch with reality college football truly is. (Look at that kid Williams who left UT prior to graduating so he can stuff his dred-locks into a pro-fotball helmet rather than be forced into the sidelines because he couldn't pass college math 101, nothing more than 4th grade arithmetic.)
I carried Earl Campbell around many times on recruiting trips. He's really wrecked his health, I assume from boozing. He looks like a broken down overweight 80 year old, not the mid-50's he really is. He can barely walk. (He's so scared to fly that he brings his own cooler on board filled with Coors light and has consumed 2 or 3 during the taxi out prior to takeoff. It's a pitiful sight for a so-called football "hero".)
We're teaching our kids the wrong things about what's important.
(I hope this "blunt truth" comment didn't offend. If it did,...then maybe that's indicative we're taking football too seriously?)
It's just a game.
(This unsolicited opinion from the nut in Spicewood was brought to you by Coors beer and Earl Campbell Hot-Link sausages.)
When I flew for the state of Texas, I took coach Brown all over the SE U.S. recruiting players. College athletics is nothing more than big money, and college football (and the taxpaying public) has lost sight of what college is supposed to be about.
Carrying those gorillas around in state aircraft (King Air 200's) while they listen to their boomboxes and issue "Ebonics" arguments over which sneakers are mo' cool and which rap "musicians" to listen to makes me wonder what we're doing with tax dollars.
I call Earl a friend as well. But that's another example of how far out of touch with reality college football truly is. (Look at that kid Williams who left UT prior to graduating so he can stuff his dred-locks into a pro-fotball helmet rather than be forced into the sidelines because he couldn't pass college math 101, nothing more than 4th grade arithmetic.)
I carried Earl Campbell around many times on recruiting trips. He's really wrecked his health, I assume from boozing. He looks like a broken down overweight 80 year old, not the mid-50's he really is. He can barely walk. (He's so scared to fly that he brings his own cooler on board filled with Coors light and has consumed 2 or 3 during the taxi out prior to takeoff. It's a pitiful sight for a so-called football "hero".)
We're teaching our kids the wrong things about what's important.
(I hope this "blunt truth" comment didn't offend. If it did,...then maybe that's indicative we're taking football too seriously?)
It's just a game.
(This unsolicited opinion from the nut in Spicewood was brought to you by Coors beer and Earl Campbell Hot-Link sausages.)
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N1478D
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Dave, you are a Tech Wonder Boy too? Wow. We had a really good baketball team around 1970. The bowling team was damn good too.AR Dave wrote:Trust me, I'm no Hog fan!
The whole state roots for the HOGS! It never bothered me when I went to Ark Tech. Did you have Dr. Eversol for chemistry. He was in his 80's when I had him and he looked at least 135. He was tired, so when he wrote on the chalk board he rested his face on the board and when he turned around he was covered with chalk and his face had erased what he had written. He always made a gurgurling sound, even between his words. Most of the time he lectured by leaning back onto the wall while he spoke. About once a week, he was a few feet further in front of the wall than he thought. With his arms folded on his chest, chaulk on his face, and making the wierd sounds, he would go to lean on the wall and instead fall making louder sounds as he went down. At those moments it was hard to believe he was an important part of the first atomic bomb.
Joe
51 C170A
Grand Prairie, TX
51 C170A
Grand Prairie, TX
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170C
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Sports
To be quite honest I am fed up with sports in general. True, in public school it can be a "team building" experience and to that extent it is good for those who are able to be good enough to participate. Those kids, for the most part, love what they are doing. However when the parents get so heavily involved trying to make sure junior or sis are seen by the college recruiters and the schools spend more on sports personnel, etc. than the academics then something is broken with the system. This same mentality goes on to college & professional sports. If a football (or other participant) can't pass the vrs courses in his/her respective school then they shouldn't be in the sports activities. Again both public & college. As for the professionals, yea they can be entertaining, but so many,not all, are VERY POOR examples for the younger generation. IMHO if a member of a school or professional sports team is caught doing drugs that should be the end of their participation PERIOD, no exceptions!
Oh well I guess I am just a grumpy ole man!!!!!
Ole Pokey
George--REKLAW--be there or be square!!
Oh well I guess I am just a grumpy ole man!!!!!
Ole Pokey
George--REKLAW--be there or be square!!
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AR Dave
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Well Joe I should have known, by the sound of your intellect, that you were ATU educated. We'll have to get together on this for sure. You need to tour that campus now, maybe go to next years reunion? I understand ATU (Polytech back then?) used to have a flying school & airstrip. (linking to forum).
It's sad to hear that Earl isn't doing so good. We never had communication with him after he went to the pro's, but he was definitely my hero and the best running back ever. He got beat up running for Houston, so I understand some of his physical deteriation. I thought his only bad habit was being the Skoal Brother. Another fallen hero!
I agree with you grumpy, mostly. And so did a lot of my professors. In my first couple of years I tried to keep the fact that I was a football player quite, in classes were teachers resented us so bad. Honestly, I was not very academic and my family couldn't afford college. I'm sure thankful the opportunity was there for me to pay for an education by playing sports. And I was a good investment, cause now I'm paying back with major taxes, and can afford to send 3 children back to ATU (I think?). AND most important can afford to have a plane and be in this fine International Cessna 170B Association. The sad fact is that College Football brings in most of the revenue in most colleges. Our taxes aren't getting spent on football, football pays for itself and the rest of the academic budget that taxes don't cover. With that said, I totally agree it has gotten ridiculous & the players more & more spoiled. One more tidbit, out of 85 freshmen players I came in with, only 3 of us graduated.
Joe, I was thinking of flying into a Memphis Grizzlies game this winter, wanna go? I'll be up here, sending oil down there, during Reklaw!
Wonderboy
It's sad to hear that Earl isn't doing so good. We never had communication with him after he went to the pro's, but he was definitely my hero and the best running back ever. He got beat up running for Houston, so I understand some of his physical deteriation. I thought his only bad habit was being the Skoal Brother. Another fallen hero!
I agree with you grumpy, mostly. And so did a lot of my professors. In my first couple of years I tried to keep the fact that I was a football player quite, in classes were teachers resented us so bad. Honestly, I was not very academic and my family couldn't afford college. I'm sure thankful the opportunity was there for me to pay for an education by playing sports. And I was a good investment, cause now I'm paying back with major taxes, and can afford to send 3 children back to ATU (I think?). AND most important can afford to have a plane and be in this fine International Cessna 170B Association.
The sad fact is that College Football brings in most of the revenue in most colleges. Our taxes aren't getting spent on football, football pays for itself and the rest of the academic budget that taxes don't cover. With that said, I totally agree it has gotten ridiculous & the players more & more spoiled. One more tidbit, out of 85 freshmen players I came in with, only 3 of us graduated.Joe, I was thinking of flying into a Memphis Grizzlies game this winter, wanna go?
I'll be up here, sending oil down there, during Reklaw! Wonderboy
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GAHorn
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I realize that the "plan" calls for athletic programs to be self-supportive. And for the most part I think they are. (In fact, it's the money aspect of it that makes much of that activity so outrageous.)
But, ...there's no way that 4 or 5 King Airs and cost of operation, 8 or 10 pilots and their salaries/expenses, ...and the flight department maintenance, administration, dispatch, and line service are paid for by athletic department fees. They exist because the taxpayers pay for it one way or the other. UT get the advantage of that flight department, and uses it for incredible amounts of "perk" flights and recruiting flights. (If I were an alumn of Texas Tech, U of H, or A & M, etc., I'd be mad that UT has a virtual private air force! Because those schools don't get to utilize the state flight dept hardly at all, because the aircraft pool is based in Austin!)
Anyway,...it's also not right that a parent sends their kid to school, perhaps believing their daughter is being flown to a Big 12 event in Iowa or someplace, on an airplane that meets commercial transportation standards (121, 135, \etc.) but in reality is an overloaded King Air, with unweighed baggage strewn down the aisles, blocking exits, and pilots that aren't even required to hold currency in the aircraft, and aircraft that are exempt from the FAR's because they are public aircraft. Those children do not enjoy the same level of safety the travelling public has a right to expect when they purchase an airline ticket or a charter flight, and the student doesn't dare question the operation for fear of the coach's rath.
But, ...there's no way that 4 or 5 King Airs and cost of operation, 8 or 10 pilots and their salaries/expenses, ...and the flight department maintenance, administration, dispatch, and line service are paid for by athletic department fees. They exist because the taxpayers pay for it one way or the other. UT get the advantage of that flight department, and uses it for incredible amounts of "perk" flights and recruiting flights. (If I were an alumn of Texas Tech, U of H, or A & M, etc., I'd be mad that UT has a virtual private air force! Because those schools don't get to utilize the state flight dept hardly at all, because the aircraft pool is based in Austin!)
Anyway,...it's also not right that a parent sends their kid to school, perhaps believing their daughter is being flown to a Big 12 event in Iowa or someplace, on an airplane that meets commercial transportation standards (121, 135, \etc.) but in reality is an overloaded King Air, with unweighed baggage strewn down the aisles, blocking exits, and pilots that aren't even required to hold currency in the aircraft, and aircraft that are exempt from the FAR's because they are public aircraft. Those children do not enjoy the same level of safety the travelling public has a right to expect when they purchase an airline ticket or a charter flight, and the student doesn't dare question the operation for fear of the coach's rath.
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flyguy
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WHAT SUBJEK?
HOWCUM WE GOT SO FAR OFF THU SUBJEK WHEN I GOTS THIS BIG GEE PEE ESS PROBLM??? 
MIZ DEANA GOT A HOLD OF MY LIL MAGICGELLAN 315 WHAL I WUZ LOOKIN TU SEE IFN THERE IS SOME A LANIN DIRECSHUNS FOR GOIN TO REKLAW INA MORNING. SHE PRECEDED TU TELL ME THAT IT SED THAT TOMMORY WUZ THU BES FISHIN DAY AN WANTS ME TU GIT OUT THU BOAT AND TAKE HER. SHE ALSO LOOK UP ALLU MY BES FISHIN HOLES AN SED IFN I DINT TAKE HER SHE WUD TELL MY BUDDIES WHERE THEY WERE AN AXE THEM TO GO THERRE AN EMPTY THEM OF LUNKERS
WELL I GUESS I JUS GOTTA AXE HER TU GO WI ME TO OLE DAVES INNA MORNIN.
MIZ DEANA GOT A HOLD OF MY LIL MAGICGELLAN 315 WHAL I WUZ LOOKIN TU SEE IFN THERE IS SOME A LANIN DIRECSHUNS FOR GOIN TO REKLAW INA MORNING. SHE PRECEDED TU TELL ME THAT IT SED THAT TOMMORY WUZ THU BES FISHIN DAY AN WANTS ME TU GIT OUT THU BOAT AND TAKE HER. SHE ALSO LOOK UP ALLU MY BES FISHIN HOLES AN SED IFN I DINT TAKE HER SHE WUD TELL MY BUDDIES WHERE THEY WERE AN AXE THEM TO GO THERRE AN EMPTY THEM OF LUNKERS WELL I GUESS I JUS GOTTA AXE HER TU GO WI ME TO OLE DAVES INNA MORNIN.
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