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edbooth wrote:In all of these years, I have never figured out why some folks have a deep seated fear of flying, I think it might be a problem with having no control over what is happening while flying. You do have to have complete confidence in that person sitting in the left seat.
..because a passenger in a car has some amount of control over what's happening while driving?

I think it's more not understanding what's happening and having Hollywood as their primary source of information of what happens when the motor quits.
Some people honestly believe that airplanes are capable of 'falling out of the sky'. My wife was one of them.

A pinch hitter course might help if she's worried that something might happen to YOU while flying but doesn't address the fear of falling out of the sky.
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Man, not cool.
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Bruce Fenstermacher wrote: ... My wife has flown with me, specially when we were younger. But she does not enjoy it for what it is. She enjoys our time together and if we are traveling and our airplane is the most convenient, or, in the case of say an Association convention the reason we are flying, she will fly with me. She might go for a ride other than that on special occasions if I asked her but for the most part she would rather be doing something else. And so we have an understanding. She does something else, I go flying.

Truth be told I'd bet most spouses are like mine. If flying is not their thing it just isn't. Yes there are a few pilots who's spouse shares their love of aviation. Perhaps they are the lucky ones. (Or perhaps, :? they aren't so lucky. :twisted: ) ...
I agree, I think most spouses are like Bruce's.

When I first started flying my wife was afraid I'd drain the bank account just before dying in a crash. When neither of those happened she eased up a lot, even going flying with me. Over the next few years she learned more about flying and the people who do it, and her fear went away. She eventually enjoyed going places with me. As Bruce said, she didn't like the flying for what it was, but she did like going places. When I had a fast airplane we flew to both coasts on many occasions and to Alaska once. My kids are now teenagers and plan on getting their licenses. My wife likes that I have that bond with them and likes sending us off for a Saturday morning breakfast flight. Just be careful and call me at every stop, she says.

So I'd say don't despair, just let time do its work. I think there's a good chance your wife will come around, especially if your kids catch the bug.
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I don't think we can expect our kids or spouses to share our enthusiasm for flying though its great when they do. I have spent a good portion of my life thinking, reading, learning, and dreaming about flying. Not everyone, even those close to me, does. Its not a problem unless I make it one.

My wife, like some of those already mentioned, will get in to the plane if we are going to travel somewhere but not just to fly. Otherwise, she never holds me back, she just doesn't care to partake and I don't think there is much more to it than that. My dog might disagree. When we were younger, we had a Airedale and a T-Craft. When the three of us would drive down to the strip, that dog would crawl under the car and refuse to move. I would have to drag him from under the car and then we would go. When just I and the dog would go, the dog would jump up uninvited, into the plane. Though my wife made not even the least visible outward indication of being uncomfortable, I think she was and the dog knew it.

My daughter has grown up always having a plane in the family but she is more interested in ballet and fishing. When she has friends visiting, she is always quick to suggest that I take her and her friends to lunch in Talkeetna if its a nice day but otherwise she has little interest in flying and I don't encourage it either. Its expensive, somewhat risky, and takes unending and continual devotion to do it right and safely. Not everyone is prepared to make that commitment. Its not a character defect, its a choice.

If she wanted to learn, I would help and make sure she learned correctly from the beginning, in a glider if, possible, otherwise in a Taylorcraft, so she understood the stick and rudder, airspeed, and coordination part first before GPS and other attention deficit inducing instruments.

So my wife and I have a deal. I never make her go flying and she never makes me go to the opera.

Like Issac Newton, "The first Act I heard with pleasure, the 2nd stretch'd my patience, at the 3rd I ran away.
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These are all thoughtful replies, except the crack about divorce :roll: . I think the lesson is - try hard to educate my wife on the great aspects of flying, don't force anything and if it just doesn't end as planned, so be it. I guess I have been imagining the great times we can/could have as a family and that it has turned into some kind of mania that it disappointed me so much to hear she wasn't going to participate and didn't want our daughter to, either. I am lucky in that she doesn't stop me from flying (unless we're particularly pressed for money for some reason). I hope she'll at least learn to relax when I am out and about and I still hope she'll be able to join me on some nice trips. Thanks all!
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Boy do I feel lucky. The day I got my ticket I loaded my wife and 2 kids in the 170 and went flying around the neighborhood. Thankfully it was crystal clear and calm. My wife still remembers that day. The first summer I had my ticket I took the 170 to the Kalispel convention from SE PA with my 5 year old son along as a passenger. Two years latter I took my 5 year old daughter and 7 year old son to Yellowstone and my wife did not complain. My wife is happy to go most places and really has no fear of flying but I have been very careful not to scare her. Before you all get jealous don't ask about the rest of the relationship. Bill K
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Your wife wont fly with you? Hell, mine wouldn't even drive me out to the airport.
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Well my wife didnt like anything aviation, she said she HAD to live with it 24/7. Its my job ,I would answer. When ?? she went flying with me all I got was " I feel sick " even when we were taxiing out to the runway. " I dont like the bumps cant you go around them " ? Then recently on a long trip I gave her the controls to feel whats its all about. Push down on the yoke ...the houses get bigger ... pull on the yoke .... the houses get smaller. Simple?? Then I was asked how did i know where I was ?? I showed her where we were on a map . I showed her that I follow a line drawn on the map and identify land marks as I go . I told her we were travelling at 2 miles a minute and we expect to be there in a certain time period keeping a compass heading direction . So it was all quite for about a hour or so I was doing my thing flying and I noticed her looking out the window and finger on the map . She was spot on where we were. I was starting my descent and pointed to the town where we were going to land . The next statement hit me like a bullet. " You know you are 3 miles left of the line on the map" " 3 MILES" , I thought. I then explained to her it was to avoid the possibility of collosion due to every body wanting to fly the line between 2 towns with GPS etc etc. . Now she is my autopilot and learning BUT only taking small steps with each trip . The " I feel sick" is gone [most times]. BUT now she is the "MISTRISS" of navgation . I dare not get it wrong.
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spduffee wrote:These are all thoughtful replies, except the crack about divorce :roll: . I think the lesson is - try hard to educate my wife on the great aspects of flying, don't force anything .... Thanks all!
I'm sure that was only intended as a moment of levity. (pardon the pun...I only just realized it....really.)

I truly agonize over this for you and those who are in similar circumstances.

As a professional flight-training facilitator (in the simulator I'm reluctant to call myself an "instructor" to other professional pilots who often have as much or more flight time than myself), I cannot help but recall what is often referred to as "the rule of primacy".
Taking your wife up in the back seat while on a training flight, while doubtless was an idea hoping to instill mutual enthusiasm..., was doubtless a bad one. It will take a long time to get her over that experience regardless of the happy face she tried to put on for you.

I'm fortunate that my non-pilot wife will beat me to the cockpit if we're flying somewhere. She might read or sleep while enroute, but she'll entusiastically go.

Don't give up. Also, don't let this come between you.

I suggest you relax a while and let the dust settle.... then, using ground transportation, find an event to attend where she can mix and mingle with other women pilots.
It might even help if she saw other pilots soliciting your opinions on flying subjects. (Get a CFI certificate! But don't try to be her flight instructor! Let her find her own in the group to whom she is eventually introduced.)

This may take more than a few months. But the reward will be when she tells you about when she took her first lesson.

I suggest you never....NEVER.... show her "stalls and engine outs". Dani (mentioned and pictured elsewhere in our pubs) is a rare girl. NO ONE who is not already in love with airplanes likes having the most precious thing they own.... their LIFE, or their CHILD.... disrespectfully-threatened, (and that is exactly what such behavior does).... or otherwise needlessly "to have demonstrated"... emergency procedures or unusual flight characteristics or stalls! :!:

To those of you to whom this next statement might already apply: Don't take offense. Don't feel insulted.
Feel properly reminded only:
.... If you are not training someone, and this means pre-flight preparations having been made whle on the ground which included a pre-flight briefing and training-discussion about the manuevers to be demonstrated-and-trained....(and during which those attending may opt-out of the flight)......then NEVER-NEVER-NEVER try to show your "piloting skills" by demonstrating stalls, steep turns, engine-outs, zooming, low-level buzzing, or anything other than normal, smoothly-executed flight! NEVER!
For such manuevers to be properly demonstrated (and not feared) they must first be taught and understood on-the-ground! (Remember? -- That's what your professional instructor did.) Anything else is intended to impress your victims with your superior knowlege and ability. :roll:

To do otherwise is disrespectful of the life of your passengers and, unless they are those guys "Dumb and Dumber",.....YOU will be the idiot who frightened them without permission and deserve their long-lasting disrespect and loathing.

Duffee.... let her get over this with the help of a professional to whom you've introduced her. Hopefully after the dust has settled on this event, and of her own curiosity about the subject. Getting her mingled with other women pilots may be one way. (PS: Some of them have kids too! hint-hint)
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I apologize I’m getting in late on this. Also this will likely not come out like I intended it to but here goes.

I understand what W.J. is saying about no letting anything come between you and your wife and daughter. I also see the view point a lot of replies have covered related to give her time and be gentle in the process but I also believe there is a point that you have to put your foot down. I know in a marriage there is a lot of give and take. I know as a husband (in theory) I am willing to give more to my wife than I take but that only goes so far.
Not sure if she let you as I did not see that discussion if it was discussed but she allowed you to take lessons and learned to fly, so she was not completely against it in the beginning or if she was you just did it anyway. So I am trying to say there is surely some hope from that point of view as she might budge sooner or later.

(Kind of off subject but I’m getting there) I have hunted all of the life that I can remember. My wife married me knowing that I love to hunt but still to this day on occasion we argue about me going hunting. It’s not me hunting so much as it’s just the time that it consumes. Our daughter is 3 and my wife has said that she won’t hunt and I have stated that if she wants to hunt when she gets old enough then I “will” take her hunting. This is a marriage after all. I also get to make decisions on behalf of my children. I agree not as many as the mother but still yet I won’t be denied that right. I don’t control anything that my wife wants to do with our daughter. Granted going shopping may not run the risk that hunting or flying does but driving 60 miles an hour meeting a car coming at 60 miles an hour and your only feet apart is not the safest practice on this earth. No comparison to flying but I didn’t want my daughters ears pierced until she said that is what she wanted. Just figured my daughter should have a say in having holes punched in her ears. My wife went over my head and we had words over it but I’m still married.

Understand the issue she has with our daughter going hunting with me is not a safety concern for her. It’s related to our daughter spending time with her dad and she don’t want her girl to be a redneck country girl that loves to go hunting with her dad rather than shopping with her mother.

Can you compare flying to hunting? Some folks would consider it more dangerous but other likely would not. I have taken my daughter up one time in her first 3 years but I was only limited by lingering mechanical issues with the plane (Long story) and weather. I am on a grass strip with only one way in and one way out so I don’t get a ton of good days when I usually only have 1 to 2 days a week away from work to fly. However “if” my wife decided that she was not going to let my daughter go flying with me I would not take it laying down especially if she was ok with it at some point and just flipped the scales on me. I likely would not hide it but I definitely would not deny my daughter the joy of experiencing flight. There would be a cost I am sure but in my world there would be cost if I didn’t take her.

I tend to not stay on subject at times as I probably didn’t do here but this hit a nerve so I needed to type.

My 2 cents.
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Was I actually just accused of disrespectfully threatening my wife's life?

Do you honestly think I just decided one day to say, "Hey, watch this!" and pull some *** **** maneuver to impress my wife?

And I'm not supposed to take offense to this?
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Move this discussion to "Dear Abby."
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