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Cell's are a real convenience and I use mine for both personal & business, but I sure see a lot of folks that can't go anywhere without one in their ear. Even if eating in a restarant they talk on them . If its an emergency then I understand it, but most are just gabbing about stuff that could wait till they are out of the restaurant. A lot of them need to get a life I like the signs in vrs businesses that say, "When you finish your phone call I will be glad to help you" VERY APPROPRIATE

N9149A wrote:
Miles could you expand on what portable equipment you have that receives GPS and weather data via bluetooth?

I'm not miles but my AV8OR GPS receives WX data via bluetooth. It also can receive traffic alerts and they just added the ability to have Flight Guide in the database.

N9149A wrote:Miles could you expand on what portable equipment you have that receives GPS and weather data via bluetooth?

It's the Anywheremap Pro.

Miles

In another link I mentioned that my buddy, Paul has a an i-phone that operates faster than his 396 Gamin. he also has every thing hooked to his crop-duster hat via, Pilot's Blue Link..... every thing is blue tooth enabled, with an extra attachment for his comm radio.....His cockpit is so small you have to go outside to change your mind.....Yet this device has enabled him to have all this "stuff" in there.....Brad

So Walt what you are saying is the AV8OR GPS uses Bluetooth to connect to your phone to call and get weather data? Bluetooth is a wireless connection between two devices with limited range.

Miles is you AnywhereMap Pro on a PDA or computer and it uses Bluetooth to connect to your phone to call for the weather and location. The location being actually found by triangulation between cell sites not GPS signal from airborne satellites? I thought the AnywhereMap on a PDA or computer used a GPS receiver included in or attached to the device.

N9149A wrote:So Walt what you are saying is the AV8OR GPS uses Bluetooth to connect to your phone to call and get weather data? Bluetooth is a wireless connection between two devices with limited range.

The wx comes from a separate receiver that receives XM weather and then the bluetooth displays it on the AV8OR. You can also connect your bluetooth phone but it uses the speaker so unless your using it i the car you can't hear it.

N9149A wrote:Miles is you AnywhereMap Pro on a PDA or computer and it uses Bluetooth to connect to your phone to call for the weather and location. The location being actually found by triangulation between cell sites not GPS signal from airborne satellites? I thought the AnywhereMap on a PDA or computer used a GPS receiver included in or attached to the device.

My Anywheremap runs on a Samsung Windows XP tablet computer with a 7-inch diagonal touch-screen. The GPS receiver is about the size of a pack of chewing gum and connects to the computer via bluetooth. The WxWorx XM weather receiver is a square box about the size of a CD case and an inch or so thick, and also communicates with the computer via bluetooth. I put a couple of half-inch squares of velcro on the glareshield, one to hold the GPS, and one to hold the 1.5-inch square remote antenna for the weather receiver. There is a power adapter box that I put in the left map pocket, and I put the weather receiver in the right map pocket. The computer snaps into a bracket on the yoke, you plug in the power and a USB fan (built into the bracket) and you're ready to go, as shown on p3 of the brochure I posted the link for. Everything but the velcro came with the unit. No cell phone requred. A stylus comes with the computer, but in practice I've found it easier to use an optical mouse plugged into the second USB port. The mouse works just fine on my right thigh. I've thought about getting a wireless trackball and velcro it to the side of the seat bottom, to eliminate one more wire.

Miles

OK Miles, the big question: Does it replace paper charts and approach plates?

If so, it looks like a Garmin-killer to me.

That's a cool setup Miles and Walt. I was hoping actually that you did have the weather somehow coming in through your phone to eliminate the need for XM.

Richard, paper maps are not specifically required flying part 91 but are a recognized method to have all the information necessary for flight. If all the electronic data is up to date I'd feel comfortable flying part 91 with just the electronic stuff.

As for a Garmin killer, I think not. At least until the system Miles is using is so simple anyone can make it work by just pushing the on button like the Garmin unit. I know it is getting close to that and that is why Garmin has looked at these types of systems.

If or when I invest in more navigation/on board weather I'll be looking hard at components like Miles is using over the Garmin but for me the killer is the ongoing cost of current data and XM weather subscriptions.

hilltop170 wrote:OK Miles, the big question: Does it replace paper charts and approach plates?

If so, it looks like a Garmin-killer to me.

It could replace paper charts and plates, but in some sunlight conditions, the Samsung can be difficult to see. There is some room for improvement there. Bruce alluded to another thing that will keep the Anywheremap from being a Garmin killer, that the user interface is a bit cumbersome, at least to me. Also, as an electrical engineer, I have an innate distrust for things electrical and choose not to place all of my chart eggs in one electrical basket...yet.

N9149A wrote:If or when I invest in more navigation/on board weather I'll be looking hard at components like Miles is using over the Garmin but for me the killer is the ongoing cost of current data and XM weather subscriptions.

The lower cost of the data is one reason I went with Anywheremap over the G-696. They even have a lifetime update option for a one-time $400. The unit is a Windows computer with a built-in wireless internet interface, so you can get updates online while on the road.

Miles

N9149A wrote: The tower usage is why the FCC makes this illegal.

NNOT! This from an well known tech site.

"The FCC (Federal Communication Commission) prohibits use of personal cell phones while inflight on commercial airlines. (INSERT) This ruling applies only to commercial carriers. .) If your company (or you) has a private plane then you can use your cell phone while in flight. The FCC says that safety is the only reason for the ban on cell phone usage on Commercial Airliners in flight. It is believed that cell phone signals may/can interfere with the aircraft instruments. (INSERT) Also our hand held GPS units, Lapotp wireless connections etc. etc.) "The FAA supports this decision..for commercial air carriers while in flight."

BTW There is also a "disclaimer" by the FCC in this presentation that " the air carrier has the option of when or if to enforce this ruling" !

SO NO FCC REGULATIONS EXIST FOR PILOTS IN PRIVATE PLANES or whirlybirds.

Now to Willies question Pros and Cons of a using bluetooth device in your private plane. A bluetooth device can be a big help in both aircraft and in your car or on a bus or train etc. etc. . In "States" that have banned or plan to ban cellphones while driving, using this device does not excuse a driver from violating the law but the chances of being arrested for "cell phone" use diminishes because the device is very small and can be used without any hands except pressing the button on the small receiver on your ear. Prices run from $20.00 to $200.00. Last summer I bought a cheap one to use while driving our Church Van to pick up children for VBS. It allowed the VBS coordinator to advise me of calls that came in after I left the church for scheduled pickups

I also used it one time on a rescue flight, searching for some boaters in trouble on Toledo Bend Lake. It was so much better than previous times trying to use a regular cell. One drawback with ear bud devices is that you still have to hold the phone to talk whereas the bluetooth has built in transmit and receive and some noise cancelling also. There are several suppliers for all models. Just make sure your phone is bluetooth ready or capable. And have one of your kids help you set up the device.

http://www.pilotshop.com/blulink-blueto ... -3718.html

This kind of what I was wondering about, anybody have one of these?


W.

W.J.Langholz wrote:http://www.pilotshop.com/blulink-blueto ... -3718.html

This kind of what I was wondering about, anybody have one of these?


W.

That is what I wrote earlier....Paul has one in his DW-1, hooked to three devices.......says it works great!!.....Brad

gahorn wrote: Two elderly couples were having dinner and after the meal the women got up and moved to the kitchen and began cleaning up the dishes. The two men began a conversation, and one of them said, "We ate at a really good restaraunt last night."
"Which restaraunt was that?", the other responded.
The first fellow thought and thought and finally asked his friend, "What is that long-stemmed flower we sometimes give on Valentine's Day?"
The second fellow replied, "Are you talking about a rose?"
"Yes! That's it!", the first fellow said, and then he turned toward the kitchen and shouted,
"Hey, Rose! What was the name of that restaraunt we ate at last night?"

John has been golfing most of his life and is quite good. He is now retired and golfing more than ever. Problem is, his vision is not as long as his drive so he is unnecessarily losing balls and taking strokes. His wife gets tired of his constant complaining and suggests that John take her aged father with him when he golfs since he has 20/20 vision. John decides to give it a try so he picks him up on his way to his next round. On the first tee box John drives the ball 250 yards. He asks: “Hey Pops, did you see where the ball went?” Pops replied “Yep. Got it”.

Pleased as punch with the answer to his vision problem, he jumps on the cart and happily drives down the fairway.

As he approaches the green he asks: “ Well Pops, where did the ball land?”
Pops replied: “Ball, what ball?”

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And just to keep this on topic, I used the Bluetooth function in my Lightspeed Zulus to make a phone call today.

I wish I was getting paid by Lightspeed ... but I'm not. Their bluetooth functionality is sincerely impressive -- I pooh-pooh'd it at first (like I do most gadgets) until I found out how valuable they are as a tool. On a long cross country I can listen to music via bluetooth, and when a radio breaks squelch it cuts out 80% of the music. Where I can get cell signal, I can make a call, or take a call -- and again, the music cuts out. The audio quality both incoming and outgoing is thus-far unbeaten. I have a friend from Houston who hates when I call him from my car ... and likes it when I use my Zulu. Then again, he's spoiled. Bottom line is that the Zulu's quality as a bluetooth cell phone headset is outstanding. No wires is a huge plus.

I was a die-hard Dave Clark guy. I've had one set for 20 years that I thought I'd get another 20 out of. Nope. The Zulu beats my Bose, too.

Regarding bluetooth and GPS, one thing I've been sorely disappointed is that Garmin's Aera series has bluetooth audio technology but it DOES NOT WORK IN AVIATION MODE. Grrr. If you want to hear the, "terrain, terrain, PULL UP!" you'll need to hardwire the audio for that.