Flying Time

[jrenwick]

Hah! Cracked me up!

[blueldr]

Seriously, the alcohol content of all the fuel I tested here in California always tested at 5%. I used it regularly, as did a good many other guys, especially in those airplanes with Rotax four cycle engines. I never has a minutes trouble with it, nor was I ever able to detect any degradation of any hoses or any part of the fuel system, on both carbureted and fuel injected engines. If you will recall, there was an AD to remove the "plastic" floats in the Marvel Schebler carburetors and install a brass one. I have seen many examples of plastic automotive carburetor floats that were shrunken or distorted to the point that they no longer worked, but when I changed out the plastic float in my airplane it showed not a bit of distortion or damage of any kind. This was after I had been using "oxygenated" mogas for quite some time. I simply can't understand why a very small amount of alcohol is supposed to result in some sort of damage to the fuel system in an airplane when it obviously has no detrimental affect in an automobile fuel system.
I have a 1963 Ford that I bought new when I returned from Guam in 1963. It is "forced" to live on the alcohol laced fuel available here and it seems to thrive.
I have found that the vast majority of the "nay sayers" on mogas do not have ANY PERSONAL experience with it, but they have heard about it from reliable sources. These sources may well have received their information in the same manner.

[blueldr]

Let me pose a question.
If they were to again make 80 octane avgas available, would you use it rather than 100LL? It wouldn't foul spark plugs nearly as much, if at all. And after all these old engines were designed to be operated on 80 octane or less.
I would risk a guess that the majority of operators would be delighted to make the change.
But would they be willing to pay $1.00 to $1,50 more per gallon for the fuel their engine was designed for or would they continue to use the cheaper 100LL even though it gummed up spark plugs and contaminated the atmosphere with TEL?

[bagarre]

Is it possible to have a thread on this forum that mentions fuel and DOESN'T turn into a mogas vs avgas discussion?

It works, it doesn't work. There's nothing wrong with it, it's illegal. Been using it for years, it's not the same as is was before...
Why not just write an essay for the arguments of both sides and paste a link to it as I don't think the arguments have changed in the last 30 years.

[GAHorn]

I will take care of this immediately.
In the future, any time Dick mentions mogas I will delete his entire message, so that anything he ever says will be deleted if he mentions his dumb old ideas about mogas. (This would entail the deletion of 81 posts he's made, beginning only in 2004, leading us to believe that he has been less-than-honest about his long-term useage of the paint thinner as a fuel.)

[blueldr]

When they quit selling paint thinner in bulk in your own can for $.50/gal., the price shot up to over a dollar a gallon in one gallon cans. The cans started to clutter up the hangar to where it was getting difficult to get the plane in and out, so I quit using it. I have a helluva lot of parts cans made by cutting out one wide side of a one gallon can.

[hilltop170]

You can still buy bulk kerosene and mineral spirits out of a pump in Fredericksburg, Texas, $4.00/gal. The same stuff at Home Depot is $15.00/gal and like Dick says, the cans stack up everywhere.

Oh, I almost forgot, this thread is about flying time in the last year:

C-170 47hr
C-180 58hr
C-195 63hr (exactly the same as last year!)
AT-6 16hr
DC-3 22hr
all others combined; 172, 182, 185, 206, Beaver, Turbine Birddog, 66hr

Several years ago, my New Years resolution was to fly each of my planes 100 hrs/yr. I've never made that but I keep trying.

[170C]

Richard you are definitely having too much FUN I'm jealous

[cowboy]

Flight Time at Work
A319/A320/A321. 853 hours
Airbus Simulator. 12 hours

The REALLY flying time

C170A. 76 hours.
Baron B55. 22 hours
7ECA. 7 hours (rental on ANC overnights)
Misc others. 5 hours (I'll fly anything!)

Total Time. 975 hours
(I have broken the 1000 hours/year mark a total 5 times)

[N3531C]

Just added up the time for the year, about 90 hrs. In 2 different 170s A + B models. It is good to have friends!
Scott

[N2625U]

101.7 since the first week of May when I got my bird back from an engine overhaul.

[counsellj]

Only 75 hours in the C-170B, during the 4 months I was home,
65 hours in the T-38C during those same 4 months
705 hours in the BD-700, Global Express in Afghanistan in 6 months. doesn't take long when the average ASD is 9.5 hours.
Less than 10 in various cats/dogs

Happy New Year Everyone!