The International Cessna^® 170 Association

I just got my eFlyPaper today, and there seems to be many more than usual 170's for sale. What's up??

Miles

Fuel prices?

There are only 8 airplanes being offered for sale, and one of those is not flying, but is a "project" and another is "out of license" and in Canada. (This one has been for sale for some time, I believe. It will not sell easily to a US owner, because the seller does not wish to annual it, and new rules since 9/11 will not allow an airplane to be imported into the US out of license. Don't ask me how that fights terrorism.)
As a comparison, only last fall, in the Nov 04 Flypaper, TEN airplanes were offered for sale.
I think some potential sellers contemplate winter weather and become more-earnest sellers.

Seems like planes of all types are getting harder to sell. I dont know what others are experiencing but it seems like the cost of living is rising much faster than the incomes for all but the wealthiest indivduals around here. Another trend I notice is that when ordering parts for planes they are rising faster than the core inflation rate. We have a few planes for sale at our airport which I believe would have moved quicker in years past. Bill K.

gahorn wrote:
and new rules since 9/11 will not allow an airplane to be imported into the US out of license.

can you show me your refference?

gahorn wrote: As a comparison, only last fall, in the Nov 04 Flypaper, TEN airplanes were offered for sale.
I think some potential sellers contemplate winter weather and become more-earnest sellers.

Maybe it is just the season. It's just the first time the jump in the number of 170's for sale in the FlyPaper caught my notice.

Miles

Tom Downey wrote:
can you show me your refference?

If you are an AOPA member: http://www.aopa.org/members/files/guides/impexp.html

The problem is that in order to export the airplane out of Canada, it must first be de-registered. To de-register the airplane, a Canada Export C of A must be issued. To quote the AOPA site, "Sometimes referred to as an "Export C of A," an ECA is issued by the foreign country's civil aviation authority (CAA) and certifies that the aircraft meets the airworthiness standards prescribed for certification in that country." This means the seller must perform an annual inspection to export the aircraft....the very thing he is likely loathe to do.... and why he probably is selling the airplane.
This would be different than the "annual" inspection I usually recommend for a pre-purchase inspection because for the airplane to be de-registered the aircraft must first be brought to airworthiness, ...not merely inspected.
Only after the aircraft is de-registered in Canada, may it be registered in the U.S. (And of course, must be inspected and issued a U.S. airworthiness certificate.)

While an Export C of A would be a nice to have, and
would theoretically make the US application for an
Airworthiness Certificate easier, it's not required.

You still need a conformity inspection on the US side
to get a US C of A, whether you have an Export
C of A or not.

I imported my 170 from Canada post-911, and while
I initially tried to get a Canadian Export C of A, the
difficulty in obtaining same from various entities
where the aircraft was located ended up being more
trouble than it was worth.

Would I do it that way again?

Maybe...., but probably not.

If I would have had to pay my IA (also my best friend)
for all his help getting N170BP ready for the conformity
inspection, I could have bought a C-180 instead <grins>

Bela, was the airplane you purchased still within license in Canada when you imported it?

Yes, it was still in (Canadian) license.

Be happy you guys have C170s- It cost me almost the same amount of money to buy and restore my Stinson 108 and my C170-- With plane prices going down I dont think I would get US $ 25 k for my Stinson - at least my C170 is still worth about US$ 50 K in South Africa