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Mom & Dad - send money?
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:04 pm
by AR Dave
This could be it - landing strip with cabins named Pokey, Gar, & Fly-Low, overlooking valley.
http://www.ridgewoodtimbercorp.com/property.php?id=140
Re: Mom & Dad - send money?
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:11 pm
by GAHorn
Disregard any claims of value in that cabin, it'll have to be cleared off the site. If the remaining property has mature pines on it, a harvest might provide the cash for the down-payment or complete purchase, (but it looks like that may already have been done.... perhaps that's why it's now for sale. Another harvest wouldn't be likely for at least 20 years.) A survey would need to be made to assess any potential runway. I see a NW/SE runway possibility (with extensive earthmoving.) What are the dimensions of the tract?
Water could be a problem. Pity the river/creek isn't on the boundary.
My family sold 800 acres of mature pines in Murfreesboro county, AR in 1960, at public auction, for $45/acre.... no kidding. Weyerhauser ended up with it. (The property was my grandmother's old homeplace, and in the future, at her death (which actually occured in 1971), the title would have been virtually impossible to clear up. (She had outlived several husbands, the descendants were many, and a considerable number of them didn't even know one another. The courtroom battles that might occur over inheritance were unimaginable, so Grandmaw just decided to auction the old place off and use the money herself to pay the taxes.) The only way to clear the deed was to sell it at public auction on the courthouse steps. One of those stories you hear about occasionally. I think dry-barren-desert is worth more than $45/acre and this place had a full 750 acres of tall timber. The old lady hardly got a cent for her homeplace that Weyerhauser benefitted by million$. It pays to be in the right place at the right time.)
Re: Mom & Dad - send money?
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:42 pm
by AR Dave
By George you hit that nail on the head! Traci and I just got back from a bike ride up to this property. It was beautiful property at one time, meaning before the timber co clear cut it. The location is perfect for us, at the end of a mtn road with wonderful woods leading right up to the 160 acres of scalped mtn top. It looks like a bomb went off and wiped the property out, only they left piles of of trees and stumps and deadfall everywhere. It's a square 160 acres, we could've put runways in all directions, actually has a water well, creek is way down the side of mtn. The cabin would be burned down, it's been a hunting camp. Anyway we learned some things, we must have trees (it was hot out there in the middle of scorched earth), 40 acres is probably plenty if surrounded by National Forest, like this is, and we can put in a landing strip, need a creek for recreation.
What's the best way to find remote land? Go to the court house or somewhere, get owners names, then knock on doors?
I'm all the time being warned - now Dave if you go up to this here fishing hole be careful, they don't like people stumbling through their mariquana field or still or whatever else these Hill Billies do.
Re: Mom & Dad - send money?
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:22 pm
by GAHorn
My mother was 9 years old and watched her father being repeatedly shotgunned to death by moonshiners as he approached the house to ask a question. That occured on the very property previously mentioned, which had been rented out to them.
Re: Mom & Dad - send money?
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:26 am
by Robert Eilers
Now days anywhere there is vacant land, private or public, which is seldom visited and difficult to access, illegal marijuana grows are a real threat to unsuspecting hikers, hunters, or property surveyors. Illegal marijuana grows should be expected anywhere in the United States this time of year. Very little land is required to produce millions of dollars worth of marijuana. The illegal fields are planted, managed and protected by illegal aliens - in most cases - employed by some local drug dealer. It is not uncommon for one drug dealer to finance multiple grows within a 500 mile area of influence. The grows tend to occur within reasonable reach of water - a farmers pond works nicely. Irrigation equipment is carried in during darkness and pipes run from the pond to the grow - often the growers try to make use of gravity fed irrigation systems to avoid the noise of generators to run pumps. The individuals on the site of the grow are in the country illegally - they have no ties to the local area and are generally difficult to trace - they have very little to lose silencing those who stuble onto the grow and a great deal to answer for if they do not. Before going into a wilderness area or a track of private land that is remotley located stop by the local Sheriff's Office, Parks Service Ranger Office or P.D. tell them what you contemplate doing. At the very least, tell someone where you are going and arrange for a "start looking for me time". I agree it is awful that we must take these sorts of precautions today - but, if you examine history you will discover it has never been safe to venture into an area void of Mcdonalds, Starbucks, ambulances and patrol cars. Then again, most of the residents of Oakland will tell you it is not any safer to go to the 7-11 on the corner than to scale mount Rainer. Seriously, illegal marijuana grows are the current equivalent of the old the moon shiners - think about where you are going - tell someone where you are going - and when you can pack some self protection.
Re: Mom & Dad - send money?
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:25 am
by GAHorn
It's been my experience that undocumented aliens are the most careful about obeying the law and virtually never involve themselves knowingly with criminal activity for fear of drawing attention to themselves and being caught.
When Jamie and I remodeled our house, the people that ripped us off and failed to perform what they'd been paid for were the white "contractors" who demanded deposits to begin and then tore things up and never did finish the work. We had to hire other people to complete the jobs. This included carpenters, plumbers, electricians, and general contractors.
The questionable-legal-status-Hispanic-employees of the masonry contractor always showed up on time, did their work without complaint, did it well, and never so much as took a soft drink from the cooler we'd provided unless they asked, even tho' at the very beginning we carefully explained it was entirely for them. Same thing with the Hispanic foundation repair workers who had to crawl under a 50 year-old, 170 foot long pier-beam house to accomplish their work. (I admit it, I never asked if they were documented. The owner of the business was legal, and I followed the U.S. gov't policy of "don't ask, don't tell".... Oh, wait... maybe I'm confused about that....

Re: Mom & Dad - send money?
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:48 am
by AR Dave
Good suggestions Robert, I'm always concerned about stumbling into the wrong place with kids in tow. I do carry a 40 cal Glock, but would hate to get in a situation where had to use it. George I understand your point about illegals, but just like good and bad Hillbilles, we have good and bad Illegals. Maybe the real bad ones slip past those Texas Rangers and move on to Arkansas. Actually I think some of them where flown in by one of our former corrupt governors, who had opporations from Mena to Booger Hollar. Well I wrote the Timber Co. and told them that if they'd find me some remote property I'd let them clear cut the runway. Also told them that they don't have to leave such a mess in the forest.
Re: Mom & Dad - send money?
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:30 pm
by GAHorn
Yeah, I guess Robert and you have good points.... maybe the residential construction/remodelling business isn't such a good haven for druggies. You might reconsider that little plastic pistol tho'. I've found that Class III weapons are much more of a deterrence to mischief makers.
About the mess left in the forest... From the pics provided I certainly can't tell much (it looks like maybe some small hardwoods were left....) But clear-cutting can be beneficial to a forest. Were there occassional tall pines left behind? Or is the surrounding area completely forested?
Conifers don't repopulate well unless their seeds fall upon bare soil. If undergrowth or litter covers the forest floor then the forest will not regenerate nearly as well as if the soil were all torn up and left bare. It may look really bad, but it is better for regeneration of conifers. Of course, good cleanup would have removed the stumps and piled up the trash for possible burning later.
I recall a Dendrology study in my freshman year at SFA where some numbnutz who refused to hire a qualified forester had bought a book and found that fact, so he clear-cut his entire 200 acres of cottonwoods and sold it to Life magazine (who valued cottonwood pulp for the lightweight, slick-finish it provided their paper.) He figured it was better for his profits anyway to get all those trees delivered rather than leave an abundance of seed-trees behind.
Unfortunately for the fellow, he'd missed the part about just how much water a cottonwood pumps thru it's system every day, and that his water-table was only a few feet below the surface. His clear cutting had the effect of flooding is and his two neighbors land with 2 feet of swamp. He was unable even to retrieve all the submerged timber. Neighbors weren't too happy either...profits after court were somewhat reduced.

Re: Mom & Dad - send money?
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:52 pm
by Robert Eilers
My intention was to raise caution about the prevalence of illegal marijuana grows this time of year and the dangers associated with the grows. I really did not intend for my comments to be interpretted as a position on illegal immigration, or undocumented workers. Our lives are touched everyday one way or another by the product of documented and undocumented immigrant workers - on the whole positively. The reality of my world is the undocumented workers I encounter miles deep on public or private land tend not to be nice people. I would not want to be surprised by them in some lonely place.
Re: Mom & Dad - send money?
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:25 am
by flyguy
WANNA START A TIME SHARE 3 DAYS AN 2 NITES IN BEAUTIFUL ARKANSAS. SCRAPE SOME OF THAT SWARF INTO BIG PILES AND BURN IT. DOZE SOME ROADS AND PUT UP LIL WHITE STICKS ALL ALONG AND SELL LOTS DOWN IN THE HOLLER CLEAR THE TOP OF THE MESA FOR THE RUNWAY AND VOILA SPRUCE CREEK ARKANSAS! THATS THE WAY THEY DID IT OVER AT BELLA VISTA.
AN HERES SOME THINGS TO SPREAD AROUND WHERE THE MOONSHINERS PLAN TU INVADE ! !

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