Belly skin Wrinkles

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Bellyskin wrinkles

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I meant to get back to this topic earlier but took a bit of foot work and then had some distractions. Not the least of which was my daughter trying to park the car in the 3 foot crawl space under the house after shearing off the natural gas meter in route. Mashed the gas instead of the brake and then froze.Thankfully got the gas valve shut off after pumping gas under the house for several minutes w/o an explosion. 8O
Now for more opinions, interpretaions and info. George is right that we shouldn't willie nilly slap extra stuff onto our A/C. Sometimes things are built as they are so they will flex instead of break. I also think that we with the benefit of our position in time,can look at the changes made by the manufacturers over the years and see where they have beefed up some areas due to demonstrated need. Such as our 170's. The 1956 172 and 182 use "skin" 0511295 and 0511295-1 as an overlaid finger doubler to beef up the LG bulkhead area. The later 180's and 185's extend the gear saddle belly skin aft an additional 5 inches in the exact area where the 170's tend to wrinkle, leaving the fuseladge middle area the same as ours. In addition they tied the stringers to the bulkhead flange where ours stop 1/16 to 1/8 inch away from the flange per the 100 seris SRM. All this suggests to me they saw a need and addressed it.
Getting to the info part, I talked with Duane Ayre at Cessna concerning this and he agreed this was a weak area. That the 172's and 182's had that doubler in that area to spread the stress out to a wider area since the "fingers" of the doubler follow the stringers in the belly.
Secondly I talked this over with my PMI and was told to write up what I had in mind as a repair/strengthening based on what Cessna had done with later models and he would Field Approve it. Duane Ayre had also suggested I sketch out what I had in mind and he would run it past engineering for their input. So now I need to settle on what I want to do and not choke in writing it up. I will keep you all posted.
For the interrpretaion part. The SRM section 19-53 is titled 'Replacement of Portions of Skin Panels' refering to a skin panel as the skin between structural members and lists those as stiffning members, stringers, bulkheads and the like. Meaning as I read it basicly a scab patch as long as it runs to a structural part in all four directions. I would personally find it difficult to just scab a patch on :( but I am sure it has been done. Brian
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Post by spiro »

I replaced the 170 gearbox belly skin with the 180 one last time I did my gearbox. No wrinkles.
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Post by punkin170b »

Sorry to dig this one up again guys...

We're getting ready to tackle this project, and were wondering if any of you who have done it can offer any insights, tips, suggestions, do's and don'ts for effecting this repair. To be specific and clear about what the "project" is: we are replacing the belly skin just AFT of the gearbox; parts catalog page 35, figure 17, P/N 0511000-34.

Thanks...

Matt
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Matt, I've got some photos I'll try to locate showing the jig built to accomodate the replacement of all the major belly/tail skins of my airplane. Give a few days to find them. -George
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Post by zero.one.victor »

Belly skin wrinkles are a problem? I wish I had some, my belly skin's stretched tight as a drum.
Ooooooh, now I get it....... you're talking about the AIRPLANE. :oops:
Never mind.........

Eric
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Post by punkin170b »

Thanks George... Can't wait to see the pics.

Hehehe... Eric, is that belly skin tight like a six pack or tight like a beach ball from drinking the six-packs?

Matt
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Post by zero.one.victor »

sixpack...... yeah, right, it's tight like a six-pack. That's what I meant! :roll:

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You mean...I'm NOT supposed to have these wash-board looking abs?
Dang! :roll:
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Old Birds With Wrinkles

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I am glad you guys wrote about this. I have always wondered about these ripples. I have wrinkles behind the right gear leg. I imagine it came from when it was ground looped in 1976. I was saving that for a retirement project. At each annual, I measure from the tail wheel bolt to a common location on the gear legs near the axel. So far there has been no progression and the distances are equal from side to side. So I am not worried. I will look in my book though.
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Post by dacker »

Both running and squats will get rid of the wrinkle behind the right gear leg. :lol:
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself!
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